the City of Round Rock, Texas and Round Rock Fire Chief Larry Hodge v. Jaime Rodriguez and Round Rock Fire Fighters Association

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*132 Justice GREEN delivered the opinion of the Court, in which Justice JOHNSON, Justice WILLETT, Justice GUZMAN, Justice BOYD, and Justice DEVINE joined. In this statutory construction case, we are asked to decide whether section 101.001 of the Texas Labor Code grants unionized public-sector employees in Texas the right to, upon request, have union representation during an internal investigatory interview when the employee reasonably believes the interview may result in disciplinary action. The court of appeals held that section 101.001 confers such a right. 317 S.W.3d 871, 875 (Tex.App.Austin 2010, pet. granted). Although private-sector employees and federal public-sector employees both possess such a representation right, we hold that the Texas Legislature has not granted that right to public-sector employees in Texas. Cf. 5 U.S.C. § 7101 (b); NLRB v. Weingarten, Inc., 420 U.S. 251, 260 , 95 S.Ct. 959 , 43 L.Ed.2d 171 (1975) (interpreting 29 U.S.C. § 157 ). We reverse the judgment of the court of appeals and render judgment that section 101.001 of the Labor Code does not confer on public-sector employees in Texas the right to union representation at an investigatory interview that the employee reasonably believes might result in disciplinary action. I. Factual Background In July 2008, Round Rock Fire Chief Larry Hodge called fire fighter Jaime Rodriguez into a meeting in Chief Hodge’s office. In the room, Chief Hodge was joined by the assistant fire chief and Rodriguez’s battalion chief. Chief Hodge told Rodriguez that the purpose of the meeting was to conduct an internal interview of Rodriguez regarding a personnel complaint that Chief Hodge had filed against him. Chief Hodge alleged that Rodriguez had misused his sick leave earlier that month to get a physical examination to pursue employment with the Austin Fire Department. The complaint stated, “Since this is an Internal Interview you may not be represented during our meeting; however, if a pre-disciplinary meeting is set following our meeting you would be eligible for representation at that time.” The complaint also prohibited Rodriguez from discussing the complaint with anyone other than Rodriguez’s attorney, including union leadership and other union members. Before the interview began, Rodriguez asserted the right to union representation, requesting to have a representative from the Round Rock Fire Fighters Association (the Association) present during the interview. Chief Hodge denied Rodriguez’s request and interviewed him without Association representation. In October 2008, Chief Hodge again met with Rodriguez to discuss potential discipline for the conduct alleged in the personnel complaint. Rodriguez did not ask for a union representative at that meeting. Chief Hodge allowed Rodriguez to choose between being discharged and accepting a five-day suspension without right of appeal. A few days later, Rodriguez executed an agreement that opted for the five-day suspension. Three months later, Rodriguez and the Association filed a declaratory judgment action, alleging that Chief Hodge and the City of Round Rock violated Rodriguez’s right to union representation, and asserting that such a right is conferred by section 101.001 of the Texas Labor Code. Rodriguez and the Association also sought to enjoin Chief Hodge and the City from denying Rodriguez and other fire fighters their right to representation at future investigatory interviews. The trial court denied a motion for summary judgment filed by Chief Hodge and the City, and granted a motion for summary judgment filed by *133 Rodriguez and the Association. In its final judgment, the trial court declared that Rodriguez was denied his right to union representation under section 101.001 of the Labor Code, and enjoined Chief Hodge and the City from further denying fire fighters the right to, upon request, be represented by the Association at investigatory interviews they reasonably believe might result in discipline. The court of appeals affirmed the decision. 317 S.W.3d at 875 . II. The Weingarten Decision The right to union representation in an investigatory interview derives from the United States Supreme Court’s decision in NLRB v. Weingarten, 420 U.S. 251 , 95 S.Ct. 959 (1975), the seminal case regarding private-sector employee representation rights. In that case, an employer challenged the National Labor Relations Board’s (NLRB) determination that Section 7 of the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA) granted private-sector employees the right to have a union representative present at an investigatory interview when the employee reasonably believes that the interview could result in disciplinary action. Id. at 260 , 95 S.Ct. 959 . The NLRB determined that this right inhered in Section 7’s guarantee of the right of employees to engage in “concerted activities for ... mutual aid or protection.” Id. at 252 , 95 S.Ct. 959 ; see 29 U.S.C. § 157 . The Supreme Court held that the NLRB permissibly construed Section 7 to confer the representation right, noting that the NLRB’s construction may not be required by the statute’s text. Weingarten, 420 U.S. at 266-67 , 95 S.Ct. 959 . In doing so, the Supreme Court explained that the NLRB’s decisions are “subject to limited judicial review” because of the NLRB’s “special function” in interpreting Section 7 and its “special competence” in the field of labor-management relations. Id. at 267 , 95 S.Ct. 959 . Following Weingarten , Congress extended the representation right to federal public-sector employees. 5 U.S.C. § 7101 (b). Thus, the right to union representation during investigatory interviews currently applies nationally to all private-sector employees and federal public-sector employees. III. Statutory Construction Statutory construction is a question of law, and review is conducted de novo. Entergy Gulf States, Inc. v. Summers, 282 S.W.3d 433, 437 (Tex.2009). Our ultimate purpose when construing a statute is to discover the Legislature’s intent. Id. We examine the statute’s text, as it provides the best indication of legislative intent. Id. A. The Plain Language of Section 101.001 Does Not Confer the Representation Right Asserted by Rodriguez Section 101.001, captioned “Right to Organize,” provides: “All persons engaged in any kind of labor may associate and form trade unions and other organizations to protect themselves in their personal labor in their respective employment.” TEX. LAB. CODE § 101.001; see also Waffle House, Inc. v. Williams, 313 S.W.3d 796, 809 (Tex.2010) (“[T]he title of [a statute] carries no weight, as a heading does not limit or expand the meaning of a statute.” (internal quotation marks omitted)). While the statute is broad, we do not read it as conferring, by its plain language, the specific right to have a union representative present at an investigatory interview that an employee reasonably believes might result in disciplinary action. In fact, on its face, the statute confers only one explicit right: the right to organize into a trade union or other organization. By its plain terms, the statute makes it lawful for *134 employees to form labor unions or other organizations, and specifically, those organizations created to protect them in their employment. It says nothing about any rights that may attach once such unions are formed. Indeed, this Court has previously recognized this construction of section 101.001 when discussing the joint purpose of a former codification of section 101.001 and section 101.002 of the Labor Code, which addresses the rights of individuals to influence others in employment matters. See Best Motor Lines v. Int’l Bhd. of Teamsters, Chauffeurs, Warehousemen & Helpers of Am., Local No. 745, 150 Tex. 95 , 237 S.W.2d 589, 598 (1951). We stated that these statutes are “the very statutes which give the unions life” and that, “[u]nder these statutes, labor unions are permitted to organize and work for the betterment of their members.” Id. We clearly delineated the specific roles of each statute: Section 101.001 confers the right to organize into a union, and section 101.002 then provides substance to that right by allowing employees to influence other employees to enter, refuse, or quit employment. Id.; see also Tex. Lab.Code §§ 101.001, .002; Connell Constr. Co. v. Plumbers & Steamfitters Local Union No. 100, 421 U.S. 616 , 686 n. 18, 95 S.Ct. 1830 , 44 L.Ed.2d 418 (1975) (noting that a former codification of sections 101.001 and 101.002 “declare that it is lawful for workers to associate in unions and to induce other persons to accept or reject employment”); United Mine Workers of Am. v. Coronado Coal Co., 259 U.S. 344 , 386 n. 1, 42 S.Ct. 570 , 66 L.Ed. 975 (1922) (describing a former codification of section 101.001 as being enacted for the purpose of “[ljegalization of labor unions and labor combinations”); Webb v. Cooks’, Waiters’ & Waitresses’ Union, No. 748, 205 S.W. 465, 469 (Tex.Civ.App.-Fort Worth 1918, writ ref'd) (stating that a former codification of section 101.001 “pro-vid[es] that it shall be lawful for persons engaged in any kind of labor to associate themselves together and form unions” and that a former codification of section 101.002 then makes a “declaration relating to the rights and privileges of such associations”). Our sister court, the Court of Criminal Appeals, has also recognized the limited scope of a former codification of section 101.001, stating that it “grants the right to a person to organize or become a member of a labor union.” Ex parte Waltrip, 151 Tex.Crim. 343 , 207 S.W.2d 872, 874 (1948). This reading of section 101.001 comports with other labor-related provisions in the Texas statutes, which are premised on section 101.001’s right to form unions. While section 101.001 protects the right of employees to organize into labor unions, section 101.052 of the Labor Code protects the “right to work.” See Tex. Lab.Code § 101.052; see also Lunsford v. City of Bryan, 156 Tex. 520 , 297 S.W.2d 115, 117 (1957) (describing a former codification of section 101.052 as our “right-to-work” statute). This Court has recognized that the “intent [of the right-to-work statute] seems obvious to protect employees in the exercise of the right of free choice of joining or not joining a union.” Lunsford, 297 S.W.2d at 117 (emphasis added); see also McNatt v. Lawther, 223 S.W. 503, 505 (Tex.Civ.App.-Amarillo 1920, no writ) (holding that, prior to enactment of the right-to-work statute, a previous codification of section 101.001 protected only the right of employees to organize, and thus it allowed employers to fire employees for joining a union). Similarly, our construction of section 101.001 — as conferring the right to organize into unions — is in accord with Chapter 617 of the Texas Government Code, which defines specific rights of Texas public-sector labor unions. See Tex. Gov’t Code *135 §§ 617.001-.008 (expressly disarming public-sector unions of rights usually enjoyed in the private sector, such as striking and collective bargaining); id. § 617.005 (granting public-sector unionized employees the limited right “to present grievances concerning their wages, hours of employment, or conditions of work either individually or through a representative that does not claim the right to strike”); see also Tex. Att’y Gen. Op. No. H-422 (1974) (determining that implicit in section 617.005 “is the notion that public officials should meet with public employees or their representatives at reasonable times and places to hear their grievances concerning wages, hours of work, and conditions of work”). Chapter 617, while conferring the right to present grievances, does not confer the right to union representation during investigatory interviews. B. Section 7 of the NLRA Differs Significantly from Section 101.001 Although we look to federal statutes and case law when a Texas statute and federal statute are “animated in their common history, language, and purpose,” see Barr v. City of Sinton, 295 S.W.3d 287 , 296 & n. 42 (Tex.2009), key differences between the NLRA and the state statutes here compel a different result from that reached by the United States Supreme Court in Weingarten. See Weingarten, 420 U.S. at 260 , 95 S.Ct. 959 . Section 7 of the NLRA states, in relevant part: Employees shall have the right to self-organization, to form, join, or assist labor organizations, to bargain collectively through representatives of their own choosing, and to engage in other concerted activities for the purpose of collective bargaining or other mutual aid or protection.... 29 U.S.C. § 157 . In contrast, section 101.001 provides: All persons engaged in any kind of labor may associate and form trade unions and other organizations to protect themselves in their personal labor in their respective employment. Tex. Lab.Code § 101.001. Although Rodriguez and the dissent argue that the language is “substantially similar,” 399 S.W.3d at 144, we read the statutes as substantially dissimilar. Section 7 confers four rights that union members can invoke for their protection: (1) “self-organization”; (2) “form, join, or assist labor organizations”; (3) “bargain collectively through representatives of their own choosing”; and (4) “engage in other concerted activities for the purpose of collective bargaining or other mutual aid or protection.” 29 U.S.C. § 157 . The Weingarten right recognized by the Supreme Court is rooted in that fourth right — “the individual right of the employee, protected by [Section] 7 of the Act, ‘to engage in ... concerted activities for ... mutual aid or protection.’” Weingarten, 420 U.S. at 252 , 95 S.Ct. 959 (omissions in original). Because Section 7 guarantees private-sector employees the specific right to collective bargaining and the more general right to engage in other concerted activity toward collective bargaining or some other sort of aid or protection— rights that attach once unions are formed — the Supreme Court concluded that the language of Section 7 could include the Weingarten right. See id. at 260-61 , 95 S.Ct. 959 . While section 101.001 mirrors Section 7 in conferring the first right — a right to organize — and part of the second — a right to form unions and other organizations — granted to private-sector employees, nothing in section 101.001 allows us to reach the same conclusion. See Tex. Lab.Code § 101.001. *136 Just as the Fifth Circuit declined to find a representation right for railway employees because the Railway Labor Act lacks the “concerted activities” language found in the NLRA, see Johnson v. Express One Int'l Inc., 944 F.2d 247, 251 (5th Cir.1991), we cannot find a representation right in section 101.001 without similar “concerted activities” language. See id. (warning against applying NLRA case law to statutes with language that “differs substantially” from the NLRA). Cf. N.Y.C. Transit Auth. v. N.Y. State Pub. Emp’t Relations Bd., 8 N.Y.3d 226 , 832 N.Y.S.2d 132 , 864 N.E.2d 56, 56 (2007) (holding that a state statute that differed materially from the text of NLRA Section 7 and lacked “concerted activities for ... mutual aid or protection” language did not give a representation right to public-sector employees). The dissent suggests that the mere inclusion of the word “protect” in the statute indicates the Legislature’s intent to grant unionized public-sector employees specific rights to enable them to seek protection in their employment, including the right to union representation during investigatory interviews. 1 399 S.W.3d at 141. But, as explained above, there is nothing in the statute to indicate such an intent. We read “protect” as describing the purpose around which individuals would organize and form unions, pursuant to the right conferred under section 101.001. The Legislature grants and denies rights to unionized public-sector employees by specific enactment. See, e.g., Tex. Gov’t Code § 617.002(a) (denying public-sector employees the right to bargain collectively); id. § 617.003 (denying public-sector employees the right to strike); id. § 617.005 (granting public-sector employees the right to present their grievances concerning wages, hours, or conditions of work through a union representative). At most, the inclusion of “protect” serves as a limitation on the type of union or organization — those formed to protect employees in their employment — whose members are subject to those specific enactments that grant rights, such as the right to present work-related grievances, and deny rights, such as collective bargaining and the right to strike. This reading does not deprive section 101.001 of meaning; rather, when read in connection with the grants and denials of specific rights, it gives section 101.001 precisely the meaning the plain language indicates the Legislature intended: Texas public employees have the right to band together and form labor unions. C. The Supreme Court’s Analysis in Weingarten Does Not Apply Weingarten provides little guidance for important reasons. First, there is no question that Section 7 of the NLRA and the Weingarten decision apply only to private-sector employees. See 29 U.S.C. § 152 (2) (excepting from the definition of “employer” “the United States ... or any *137 State or political subdivision thereof’). It was not until after the Weingarten decision that Congress specifically extended the representation right to federal public-sector employees. See 5 U.S.C. §§ 7101 (b), 7114(a)(2)(B). In the thirty-eight years since Weingarten was decided, the Texas Legislature has declined to enact similar legislation. Second, Section 7 does not expressly confer the Weingarten right, and the Supreme Court recognized that. See Weingarten, 420 U.S. at 266-67 , 95 S.Ct. 959 . In Weingarten , the Court merely determined that the NLRB had permissibly construed Section 7 to find the Weingarten right rooted in the “concerted activities” portion of that statute, although the language of Section 7 may not actually grant the right. See id. (stating that even though the NLRB’s construction “may not be required by [Section 7, it] is at least permissible under it”). The Court afforded the NLRB’s construction considerable deference because, with its “special competence,” the NLRB is entrusted with “responsibility to adapt the [NLRA] to changing patterns of life,” and its construction of the NLRA is therefore “subject to limited judicial review.” See id. at 264-68 , 95 S.Ct. 959 ; see also Pattern Makers’ League of N. Am., AFL-CIO v. NLRB, 473 U.S. 95, 100 , 105 S.Ct. 3064 , 87 L.Ed.2d 68 (1985) (“Because of the [NLRB]’s ‘special competence’ in the field of labor relations, its interpretation of the [NLRA] is accorded substantial deference.” (citing Weingarten, 420 U.S. at 266 , 95 S.Ct. 959 )); Beth Israel Hosp. v. NLRB, 437 U.S. 483, 500 , 98 S.Ct. 2463 , 57 L.Ed.2d 370 (1978) (noting, when construing a different statute, that “[e]ven if the legislative history arguably pointed toward a contrary view, the [NLRB]’s construction of the statute’s policies would be entitled to considerable deference” (citing Weingarten, 420 U.S. at 251 , 95 S.Ct. 959 )). In Texas, we have no NLRB equivalent. Instead, labor policy and regulation is determined exclusively by the Texas Legislature and the language of its legislative enactments. And, unlike the United States Congress, the Texas Legislature has not enacted legislation to confer the right to union representation on Texas public-sector employees during investigatory interviews. Third, as explained above, the Weingarten decision was based on language in Section 7 that is absent from section 101.001. Without anything resembling Section 7’s “concerted activities” language, section 101.001 cannot confer on Texas public-sector employees a right to have union representation during investigatory interviews they reasonably believe may result in disciplinary action. D. Related State and Federal Statutory Enactments Support This Construction of Section 101.001 When a statute is clear and unambiguous, we do not resort to extrinsic aides such as legislative history to interpret the statute. Entergy, 282 S.W.3d at 442 ; see Molinet v. Kimbrell, 356 S.W.3d 407, 414 (Tex.2011) (“[T]he Legislature expresses its intent by the words it enacts and declares to be the law.”). In construing a statute, however, we presume that the Legislature acted with knowledge of the background law and with reference to it. See Tex. Parks & Wildlife Dep’t v. Dearing, 240 S.W.3d 330, 351 (Tex.App.-Austin 2007). The Legislature enacted the first codification of section 101.001 in 1899, long before Congress enacted the NLRA or the Supreme Court decided the Weingarten case. See Act of May 27, 1899, 26th Leg., ch. CLIII, 1899 Tex. Gen. Laws 262 , 262. The original 1899 provision stated: *138 [I]t shall be lawful for any and all persons engaged in any kind of work - or labor, manual or mental, or both, to associate themselves together and form trade unions and other organizations for the purpose of protecting themselves in their personal work, personal labor, and personal service, in their respective pursuits and employments. Id. At the time this provision was enacted, unions were attempting to clarify their position under recent state and federal antitrust legislation. See Allen Bradley Co. v. Local Union No. 3, Int’l Bhd. of Elec. Workers, 325 U.S. 797, 803 , 65 S.Ct. 1533 , 89 L.Ed. 1939 (1945) (discussing this “well known history of the era between 1890 and 1914”). In 1890, Congress passed the landmark Sherman Antitrust Act, which included language broad enough to consider labor unions to be trusts. Sherman Act, ch. 647, 26 Stat. 209 , 209-10 (1890) (codified as amended at 15 U.S.C. §§ 1-7 ); see also Allen Bradley Co., 325 U.S. at 801 , 65 S.Ct. 1533 (“The Sherman Act as originally passed contained no language expressly exempting any labor union activities. Sharp controversy soon arose as to whether the Act applied to unions.”); William Howard Taft, The Anti-Trust Act and the Supreme Court 2 (1914) (“"Whether Congress intended it or not, it used language [in the Sherman Antitrust Act] that necessarily forbade the combination of laborers to restrain and obstruct interstate trade.”). By 1889, Texas had enacted similar comprehensive antitrust legislation, and the Legislature amended Texas antitrust laws in 1899. See Act of May 25, 1899, 26th Leg., ch. CXLVI, 1899 Tex. Gen. Laws 246 , 246; Act of March 30, 1889, 21st Leg., ch. 117, 1889 Tex. Gen. Laws 141 , 141-42. Two days after passing those amendments, the Legislature enacted the 1899 right-to-organize statute, which included language clarifying labor’s role under Texas’s antitrust laws. See Act of May 27, 1899, 26th Leg., ch. CLIII, 1899 Tex. Gen. Laws 262 , 262 (“[N]othing herein contained shall be construed to repeal, affect or diminish the force and effect of any statute now existing on the subject of trusts, conspiracies against trade, pools and monopolies.”); see Connell Constr. Co., 421 U.S. at 636 n. 18, 95 S.Ct. 1830 (citing the 1899 right-to-organize statute as “a good example” of state antitrust laws that tend to make labor activities more likely to violate state antitrust laws). Courts of appeals have acknowledged this historical context when discussing the former codification of section 101.001. For example, the Seventh Court of Appeals surmised: It was probably the purpose of this legislation to make it clear that the early English decisions, which held labor unions under certain circumstances to be unlawful, and our own laws against trusts and combinations in restraint of trade, did not apply to labor unions. The act merely announced that there was no prohibition of law against such unions. McNatt, 223 S.W. at 505 ; see Webb, 205 S.W. at 469 (harmonizing former codifications of sections 101.001 and 101.002 with Texas antitrust statutes). As the Texas Legislature had done with the 1899 right-to-organize statute, the United States Congress enacted legislation in 1914 to exempt labor unions from antitrust laws. See Md. & Va. Milk Producers Ass’n v. United States, 362 U.S. 458, 464 , 80 S.Ct. 847 , 4 L.Ed.2d 880 (1960) (explaining that “Congress in 1914 inserted § 6 in the Clayton Act [to exempt] agricultural organizations, along with labor unions, from the antitrust laws.”). The Clayton Act provides: *139 Nothing contained in the antitrust laws shall be construed to forbid the existence and operation of labor ... organizations, instituted for the -purposes of mutual help ... or to forbid or restrain individual members of such organizations from lawfully carrying out the legitimate objectives thereof; nor shall such organizations, or the members thereof, be held or construed to be illegal combinations or conspiracies in restraint of trade, under the anti-trust laws. 15 U.S.C. § 17 (emphasis added). This language from the Clayton Act uses terminology similar to that in Texas’s 1899 right-to-organize statute, the predecessor to today’s section 101.001. See Act of May 27, 1899, 26th Leg., ch. CLIII, 1899 Tex. Gen. Laws 262 , 262 (“[T]he foregoing sections shall not be held to apply to any combination or combinations ... for any other purpose in restraint of trade.... ” (emphasis added)). In this historical context, it is clear that the 1899 right-to-organize statute aligns more closely with the Clayton Act of 1914, which partially exempted labor unions from violating federal antitrust laws, than with Section 7 of the NLRA, which was not enacted until much later. The Supreme Court has recognized as much, listing a former codification of section 101.001 alongside the Clayton Act as legislation for the “[legalization of labor unions and labor combinations.” See United Mine Workers of Am., 259 U.S. at 386 n. 1, 42 S.Ct. 570 ; see also Connell Constr. Co. 421 U.S. at 636 n. 18, 95 S.Ct. 1830 (noting that a former codification of section 101.001 “declare[s] that it is lawful for workers to associate in unions”). This legislative context supports a reading of the statute in line with the plain meaning of the statute — section 101.001 allows individuals to lawfully organize and form labor unions without violating antitrust laws. E. If Representation Rights Are to Be Conferred on Texas Public-Sector Employees, The Legislature Must Make That Policy Determination We recognize, as the dissent does, that there are good reasons for Texas public-sector employees to have the same access to union representation in investigatory interviews as private-sector employees and federal public-sector employees. See 399 S.W.3d at 133; see, e.g., Weingarten, 420 U.S. at 262-64 , 95 S.Ct. 959 . In Texas, however, the Legislature must make this policy determination. See FM Props. Operating Co. v. City of Austin, 22 S.W.3d 868, 873 (Tex.2000) (explaining that, in Texas, legislative power includes the power to set public policy as well as “many functions that have administrative aspects, including the power to provide the details of the law, to promulgate rules and regulations to apply the law, and to ascertain conditions upon which existing laws may operate”). Our role in statutory construction is merely to give effect to the Legislature’s intent by examining the plain meaning of the statute. See Kimbrell, 356 S.W.3d at 414 (“It is the Legislature’s prerogative to enact statutes; it is the judiciary’s responsibility to interpret those statutes according to the language the Legislature used....”). Here, we must give effect to the statute’s silence on this issue and the Legislature’s decision not to confer representation rights akin to Wein-garten rights on Texas public-sector employees. See Seay v. Hall, 677 S.W.2d 19, 25 (Tex.1984) (“While this court may properly write in areas traditionally reserved to the judicial branch of government, it would be a usurpation of our powers to add lan *140 guage to a law where the [Legislature has refrained.”); Simmons v. Arnim, 110 Tex. 309 , 220 S.W. 66, 70 (1920) (“[Courts] are not the law-making body. They are not responsible for omissions in legislation. They are responsible for a true and fair interpretation of the written law.”). Although it seems an anomaly for Texas public-sector employees to have to face investigatory interviews alone, we note that the Legislature may have good reasons for treating public-sector employees in Texas differently from private-sector employees. See, e.g., Cong. of Indust. Org. v. City of Dallas, 198 S.W.2d 143, 144 (Tex.Civ.App.-Dallas 1946, writ ref'd n.r.e.) (“[T]he status of governmental employees, National, State and Municipal, is radically different from that of employees in private business or industry.”); see also Headquarters Nat’l Aeronautics & Space Admin., 50 F.L.R.A. 601 , 608 n. 5 (1995) (noting “Congresses] recognition that the [Weingarten ] right to representation might evolve differently in the private and Federal sectors”). For example, the Legislature may have decided not to extend such a representation right to Texas public-sector employees because unions in Texas lack authority to engage in collective bargaining, unlike the union in Weingarten. See Tex. Gov’t Code § 617.002. IV. Conclusion We hold that section 101.001 of the Labor Code does not confer on public-sector employees in Texas the right to union representation when an employee reasonably believes that an investigatory interview with the employer may result in disciplinary action. Accordingly, the judgment of the court of appeals is reversed, and we render judgment for declaratory relief consistent with this opinion. See Tex. R.App. P. 60.2(c). Chief Justice JEFFERSON filed a dissenting opinion, in which Justice HECHT and Justice LEHRMANN joined. . To reach this conclusion, the dissent's construction impliedly requires "associate” to mean "to join together for the purpose of representing each other.” In other words, the dissent’s construction of section 101.001 would read that employees may "join together for the purpose of representing each other ... to protect themselves.” However, "associate” means "to come together as partners, fellow workers, colleagues, friends, companions, or allies” and does not include a right of representation. See, e.g., Webster’s Third New International Dictionary (2002). It is unclear what limits, if any, the dissent believes the statute imposes on that right to representation, or whether the dissent would somehow judicially impose limits on the statutory language to recognize only the narrow representation right at issue in this case. The plain language of section 101.001 supports our holding in this case, negating the necessity to impose any such limitations under section 101.001 — a task that, even if it were required, is better suited for the Legislature.


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Chief Justice JEFFERSON, joined by Justice HECHT and Justice LEHRMANN, dissenting. Fire fighter Jaime Rodriguez learned that his employer, the City of Round Rock, planned to interview him about a personnel complaint his chief 1 had filed against him. The chief told Rodriguez that, at best, his alleged misreporting of 2.5 hours of sick leave could result in discipline, including termination of his employment. At worst, Rodriguez could face criminal charges. 2 The battalion chief ordered Rodriguez not to discuss the investigation with his union president or any of its members; if Rodriguez did so, he would be subject to disciplinary action for violating a direct order. The chief ordered Rodriguez to appear in person, unrepresented, for an interview in the fire chiefs office. At that interview, the chief, the assistant fire chief, and the battalion chief interrogated Rodriguez for forty-five minutes. Rodriguez asked that a union representative be permitted to attend the meeting, but the chief *141 refused. Later, the chief met once more with Rodriguez (still unrepresented) and told him that he either had to agree to a five-shift suspension and waive appellate and grievance rights, or be discharged. Rodriguez chose the former. A Texas statute guarantees employees the right to unionize for job protection. 3 We must decide whether that includes a “representation right,” 4 which permits an employee to have a union representative accompany him when his employer conducts an interview that foreshadows disciplinary action. For decades, private and federal employees have exercised this right, as have Texas public sector employees acting under our statute and the only existing precedent. 5 But in Texas, after today, state and local government employees must go it alone. The Court concedes that the statute permits unionization, but precludes a prime attribute that makes the union worthwhile. Precedent does not compel this anomaly. Nor does a proper reading of the relevant law. I would hold that the statute grants Texas public employees a representation right, much as the Supreme Court of the United States has concluded under a similar federal law. Because the Court holds otherwise, I respectfully dissent. I. The Labor Code grants public employees the right, upon request, to union representation at an interview at which the employee reasonably believes he may be subject to discipline. Largely unchanged since its passage more than a century ago, Labor Code section 101.001 states that “[a]ll persons engaged in any kind of labor may associate and form trade unions and other organizations to protect themselves in their personal labor in their respective employment.” 6 Tex. Lab.Code § 101.001. The statute does not state that employees have the right, upon request, to have a union representative participate in an internal interview when the employee reasonably believes that the interview may lead to disciplinary action. The question is whether such a right inheres in an employee’s freedom to “associate and form trade unions ... to protect themselves in their personal labor in their respective employment.” Id. Despite the statute’s age, only two Texas cases have answered this question — the court of appeals’ decision in this case and an earlier, unpublished decision from the same court. 7 Both held that the statute gives an employee the right to union representation during internal interviews that might have disciplinary repercussions. *142 Both cases relied on a United States Supreme Court decision interpreting similar language in the National Labor Relations Act. See NLRB v. J. Weingarten, Inc., 420 U.S. 251 , 95 S.Ct. 959 (1975). Weingarten involved judicial review of an NLRB decision. Of course, we are not bound by Weingarten. Our statute was not based on the NLRA, nor does this case involve an appeal of an administrative decision, as Weingarten did. Nonetheless, the Supreme Court’s interpretation of a statute very similar to our own is instructive. See, e.g., Sayre v. Mullins, 681 S.W.2d 25, 28 (Tex.1984) (applying Supreme Court’s interpretation of “condition of work” in NLRA to Texas statute governing grievance rights); Lunsford v. City of Bryan, 156 Tex. 520 , 297 S.W.2d 115, 117 (1957) (interpreting Texas’s “right to work” statute in light of the Supreme Coürt’s determination that NLRA prohibited firing employees because of union membership); see also, e.g., Barr v. City of Sinton, 295 S.W.3d 287 , 296 & n. 42 (Tex.2009) (considering decisions applying federal statutes because those statutes and Texas law were “animated in their common history, language, and purpose”). The NLRA grants private employees “the right to self-organization, to form, join, or assist labor organizations, to bargain collectively through representatives of their own choosing, and to engage in other concerted activities for the purpose of collective bargaining or other mutual aid or protection....” 29 U.S.C. § 157 (emphasis added). In Weingarten, the National Labor Relations Board held that an employer violated the Act when it denied an employee’s request that her union representative attend an investigatory interview that the employee reasonably believed might result in disciplinary action. Weingarten, 420 U.S. at 252 , 95 S.Ct. 959 . The United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit held that the NLRB’s construction was wrong, but the Supreme Court reversed. Id. at 253 , 95 S.Ct. 959 . The Court held that the right “clearly falls within the literal wording of [the statute] that ‘[employees] shall have the right ... to engage in ... concerted activities for the purpose of ... mutual aid or protection.’ ” Id. at 260 , 95 S.Ct. 959 (emphasis added). It reasoned that although the employee’s predicament may not implicate collective rights, he nevertheless seeks “aid or protection” against a perceived threat to his job. Id. The union representative protects not only the particular employee’s interest but that of the “entire bargaining unit by exercising vigilance to make certain that the employer does not initiate or continue a practice of imposing punishment unjustly.” Id. at 260-61 , 95 S.Ct. 959 . The Court noted that “the right inheres in [the statute’s] guarantee of the right of employees to act in concert for mutual aid and protection.” Id. at 256 , 95 S.Ct. 959 . The Court also emphasized the right’s limited nature. It arises only when the employee requests representation and is a member of a labor union. See id. at 257 , 95 S.Ct. 959 . Moreover, the employee’s right to do so is limited to situations that he reasonably believes will lead to disciplinary action and when exercising the right does not interfere with legitimate employer prerogatives. 8 Id. at 257-58 , 95 S.Ct. 959 . Finally, the employer has no duty to bargain with any union *143 representative who attends an investigatory interview. Id. at 259 , 95 S.Ct. 959 . The Court observed that union representation, much like legal representation, may advance both parties’ interests. The representative can help an employee form a defense, because employees “may be too fearful or inarticulate to relate accurately the incident being investigated, or too ignorant to raise extenuating factors.” Id. at 268 , 95 S.Ct. 959 . Representation at the interview is preferable to pursuing a grievance afterwards, as “it becomes increasingly difficult for the employee to vindicate himself, and the value of representation is correspondingly diminished. The employer may then be more concerned with justifying his actions than re-examining them.” Id. at 268-64 , 95 S.Ct. 959 . The employer may benefit as well, because a knowledgeable representative can streamline the investigation and may promote a more informed decision. 9 Id. at 263 , 95 S.Ct. 959 . In Texas, the representation right would exist even without the Weingarten case and the federal statute it construed. Our statute says employees may unionize for “protection].” Tex. Lab.Code § 101.001. This case asks what that word describes. Statutes omitting that concept have been held not to convey the right to union participation in employer interviews; 10 laws that include it do. 11 I am perplexed by the Court’s conclusion that “Section 7 [of the NLRA] does not expressly confer the Weingarten right, and the Supreme Court recognized that.” 399 S.W.3d at 137. In fact, the Supreme Court held that the right “clearly falls within the literal wording of § 7 that ‘[employees] shall have the right ... to engage in ... concerted activities for the purpose *144 of ... mutual aid or protection.’ ” Weingarten, 420 U.S. at 260 , 95 S.Ct. 959 (emphasis added). Here, the Court declines to recognize a representation right in part because the Labor Code does not include the NLRA’s “ ‘concerted activities’ language.” 399 S.W.3d at 136. But Texas has given employees not just the ability to unionize-already a constitutional right 12 — but the right to do so “to protect themselves in their personal labor in their respective employment.” Tex. Lab.Code § 101.001 (emphasis added). How can unions protect employees’ jobs if they cannot engage in conduct to protect employees’ jobs? Rodriguez was not only denied representation during the meeting; his employer prohibited him from even seeking his union’s advice, before the meeting, about how to defend against a disciplinary matter that could culminate in termination of his employment and criminal proceedings. To Rodriguez, the union is an oasis; to the Court, only a mirage. The Wein-garten court agreed with Rodriguez’s view, holding that the employee may bring a union representative to the meeting for “ ‘aid or protection’ against a perceived threat to his employment security.” Weingarten, 420 U.S. at 260 , 95 S.Ct. 959 . I would hold, as the court of appeals did, that the Texas statute, whose language is substantially similar to the federal law, conveys the same right that Weingarten recognized. 317 S.W.3d at 888 (“Although not identical, the language is substantially similar with both statutes protecting the same rights-employees’ rights to join together to protect themselves in their employment.”). The City and the chief suggest that a representation right is inconsistent with more recent legislative restrictions on Texas public employees’ collective activity. Texas, for example, forbids public employees from striking or bargaining collectively. 13 Tex. Gov’t Code §§ 617.002, .003. But in enacting those restrictions, the Legislature also specified that it did not intend to “impair the right of public employees to present grievances concerning ... conditions of work either individually or through a representative that does not claim the right to strike.” Id. § 617.005. Rather than eliminating the representation right, these restrictions (passed decades after section 101.001) demonstrate that the Legislature knows how to limit public employee union activity when it wants to. Instead, it left Labor Code section 101.001 untouched, even in the face of a decision from the United States Supreme Court that thoroughly dissected the scope of the representation right. Just last year, we adopted that Court’s interpretation of a federal statute because the Texas Legislature did not amend its similar state law in response to that decision. See Prairie View A & M Univ. v. Chatha, 381 S.W.3d 500, 506-07 (Tex.2012) (holding that Legis *145 lature’s failure to amend Texas statute meant that decision applying Supreme Court precedent still governed). The same reasoning should apply here. The Court suggests — and the dissent below agreed 14 — that Weingarten was premised on the employee’s right to bargain collectively. 399 S.W.3d at 140 (“[T]he Legislature may have decided not to extend representation rights to Texas public-sector employees because their unions lack authority to engage in collective bargaining, unlike the union in Weingarten”). They assert that because Texas public employees lack that ability, our statute’s right to protection should not be interpreted in the same manner. I disagree. Weingarten was grounded not in the employee’s collective bargaining rights but in “§ 7’s guarantee of the fight of employees to act in concert for mutual aid and protection.” Weingarten, 420 U.S. at 256 , 95 S.Ct. 959 . Although the Weingarten court used the phrase “bargaining unit” to describe the employees at that particular workplace, 15 it did so because they were parties to a collective bargaining agreement, not because the phrase itself had special legal significance. Federal courts of appeals applying Weingarten have rejected the notion that it was founded on the right to bargain collectively. The Third Circuit held “it ... plain beyond cavil that the Weingarten right is rooted in [the NLRA’s] protection of concerted activity, not [the statute’s] guarantee of the right to bargain collectively.” Slaughter v. NLRB, 794 F.2d 120, 126 (3d Cir.1986). Conversely, the Fifth Circuit concluded that a statute granting the right to bargain collectively but not the right “to engage in other concerted activities for the purpose of ... other mutual aid or protection” did not convey the Weingarten right. Johnson, 944 F.2d at 251 (holding that “[t]he omission of that language is critical because the rule of Weingarten ... is grounded upon it”). 16 The Texas collective bargaining ban does not affect a public employee’s right to unionize for protection, and it does not provide a basis for denying the representation right. The Court rejects the right largely because our statute does not “eonfer[ ], by its plain language, the specific right to have a union representative present at an investigatory interview that an employee reasonably believes might result in disciplinary action.” 399 S.W.3d at 133. Neither does “due process” “confer[] by its plain language” the specific right to notice and a hearing. Yet courts have long said those characteristics are essential to effectuate that constitutional mandate. See, e.g., Mullane v. Cent. Hanover Bank & Trust Co., 339 U.S. 306, 313 , 70 S.Ct. 652 , 94 L.Ed. 865 (1950) (“Many controversies, *146 have raged about the cryptic and abstract words of the Due Process Clause but there can be no doubt that at a minimum they require that deprivation of life, liberty or property by adjudication be preceded by notice and opportunity for hearing appropriate to the nature of the case.”). To rely on the absence of an expressly articulated right to representation is to deny the Court’s obligation to state what the law means. Words like “protection,” “due process,” or “equal protection” require judges to expound. The Legislature' cannot anticipate every eventuality, and statutes often “embody purposeful ambiguity or are expressed with a generality for future unfolding.” Felix Frankfurter, Some Reflections on the Reading of Statutes, in Views From the Benoh 181, 181 (Mark W. Cannon & David M. O’Brien, eds., 1985). 17 Courts routinely decide the meaning of such terms. What is a “reasonable time” (a phrase that appears 599 times in our statutes)? A “reasonable effort” (176 times)? “Best efforts” (thirty)? What is an “attempt to monopolize,” 18 a “just and right” 19 property division, or the “best interest of the child”? 20 Without judicial interpretation, these are just empty phrases. If the right to associate and form trade unions for protection is to be more than rhetoric, it must include rights like the one at issue here, and courts must decide the scope of such language. This was true when Texas first granted the right and when the Supreme Court decided Weingarten thirty-eight years ago. II. Conclusion The Texas statute was passed in 1899, a time of national labor upheaval and organized activity. Between 1881 and 1900, more than 22,000 labor strikes occurred throughout the country. See U.S. Department of Labor, Sixteenth Annual Report of the Commissioner of Labor, Strikes and Lookouts [1881-1905] 340 (1901). Five hundred seventy-four were in Texas. Of those, forty involved workers striking “[a]gainst being compelled to sign [an] agreement to deal with employers as individuals instead of through [a] union” — the third most common complaint, following wage and hour disputes. 21 Id. at 406-07. Rodriguez, the Association, and a number of amici provide extensive historical detail about Texas labor relations at that time. Without repeating the specifics here, it is clear that the Legislature was aware of the right to union representation when it *147 granted employees the ability “to associate themselves together and form trades unions and other organizations for the purpose of protecting themselves in their personal work.” Act of May 27, 1899, 26th Leg., R.S., ch. 153, 1899 Tex. Gen. Laws 262 , 262 (amended 1993) (current version at Tex. Lab.Code § 101.001). I would not eliminate that protection today. Because the Court does so, I respectfully dissent. . Unless otherwise noted, references to the ‘'chief” are to Fire Chief Larry Hodge. . The chief advised Rodriguez that although his answers could not be used against him in a criminal case, they could affect his employment status. In Garrity v. New Jersey, 385 U.S. 493, 500 , 87 S.Ct. 616 , 17 L.Ed.2d 562 (1967), the Supreme Court held that statements obtained from law enforcement officers and other public employees under threat of discharge could not be used in subsequent criminal proceedings against those individuals. . See Tex. Lab.Code § 101.001. . The right is also known as the Weingarten right, based on the Supreme Court’s decision in NLRB v. J. Weingarten, Inc., 420 U.S. 251 , 95 S.Ct. 959 (1975). . See Glen v. Tex. State Emps. Union —CWA/ AFL-CIO, No. 13,723 (Tex.App.-Austin Sept. 1, 1982, no writ) (not designated for publication). . The original text stated: [I]t shall be lawful for any and all persons engaged in any kind of work or labor, manual or mental, or both, to associate themselves together and form trades unions and other organizations for the purpose of protecting themselves in their personal work, personal labor, and personal service in their respective pursuits and employments. Act of May 27, 1899, '26th Leg., R.S., ch. 153, 1899 Tex. Gen. Laws 262 , 262 (amended 1993)(current version at Tex. Lab.Code § 101.001). The statute underwent a nonsub-stantive codification in 1993. See Act of May 22, 1993, 73rd Leg., R.S., ch. 269, § 1, 1993 Tex. Gen. Laws 987 , 1028. . See 317 S.W.3d 871 ; Glen, No. 13,723, slip op. at 8 (holding that Texas statute gave Rusk State Hospital employees the right to union representation at patient abuse interviews). . The Court also noted that the employer could refuse, without explanation, to allow union representation and carry on its inquiry without interviewing the employee, "thus leaving] to the employee the choice between having an interview unaccompanied by his representative, or having no interview and forgoing any benefits that might be derived from one." NLRB v. J. Weingarten, Inc., 420 U.S. 251, 258 , 95 S.Ct. 959 (1975). . The NLRA applies only to private employers. 29 U.S.C. § 152 (2). After Weingarten , Congress passed a law granting the Weingarten right to federal government employees. 5 U.S.C. §§ 7101 (b), 7114(a)(2)(B). Our statute, broadly applicable to "[a]ll persons engaged in any kind of labor,” predated all of these. Tex. Lab.Code § 101.001. The City concedes, for purposes of this appeal, that section 101.001 applies to public employees. . See, e.g., Johnson v. Express One Int'l, Inc., 944 F.2d 247, 251 (5th Cir.1991) (holding that "the absence of the explicit right 'to engage in other concerted activities for the purpose of ... other mutual aid or protection' in the [Railway Labor Act] proves fatal” to petitioner’s claim that the Act granted the Weingarten right); N.Y. City Transit Auth. v. N.Y. State Pub. Employment Relations Bd., 8 N.Y.3d 226 , 832 N.Y.S.2d 132 , 864 N.E.2d 56, 57-58 (2007) (holding that New York statute that gave public employees the right to "form, join, and participate in ... any employee organization of their own choosing” did not confer the Weingarten right; "Since the ‘mutual aid or protection’ language is absent from [the New York statute], Weingarten does not support a holding that [the statute] creates a Weingarten right”). . See, e.g., City of Clearwater v. Lewis, 404 So.2d 1156, 1161-63 (Fla.Dist.Ct.App.1981) (applying Weingarten and holding that Florida statute granting public employees the right to engage in concerted activities for "mutual aid or protection,” contained language "similar” to NLRA § 7); Town of Hudson v. Labor Relations Comm’n, 69 Mass.App.Ct. 549 , 870 N.E.2d 618 , 620-21 & n. 4 (2007) (applying Weingarten to Massachusetts statute that granted employees the right to "engage in lawful, concerted activities for the purpose of ... mutual aid or protection”); Wayne-Westland Educ. Ass'n v. Wayne-Westland Community Schools, 176 Mich.App. 361 , 439 N.W.2d 372, 373 (1989) (affirming state labor commission’s application of Weingarten right under Michigan statute granting public employees the right to engage in "lawful concerted activities for the purpose of ... mutual aid and protection”); Office of Admin. v. Pa. Labor Relations Bd., 591 Pa. 176 , 916 A.2d 541, 548-49 (2007) (holding that Pennsylvania statute authorizing "lawful concerted activities for the purpose of collective bargaining or other mutual aid and protection” granted the Weingarten right). . See Hitt v. Connell, 301 F.3d 240, 245 (5th Cir.2002) ("The First Amendment protects a public employee’s right to associate with a union."); Boddie v. City of Columbus, Miss., 989 F.2d 745, 749 (5th Cir.1993) (" 'This right of association encompasses the right of public employees to join unions and the right of their unions to engage in advocacy and to petition government in their behalf.' ”) (quoting Prof'l Ass'n of Coll. Educators, TSTA/NEA v. El Paso Cnty. Cmty. Coll. Dist., 730 F.2d 258, 262 (5th Cir.1984), cert. denied, 469 U.S. 881 , 105 S.Ct. 248 , 83 L.Ed.2d 186 (1984)). . There are exceptions to the ban on collective bargaining. Cities (and other political subdivisions) may authorize their fire fighters and police officers to bargain collectively. See Tex. Loc. Gov’t Code §§ 174.023, .051. The City of Round Rock has not authorized the Fire Fighter’s Association to collectively bargain, although it adopted Local Government Code chapter 143, which allows the Association to negotiate with the City. See id. §§ 142.101, .110. . See 317 S.W.3d 871, 896 (Puryear, J., dissenting). . Weingarten, 420 U.S. at 260-61 , 95 S.Ct. 959 (noting that union representation at interviews assists the "entire bargaining unit by exercising vigilance to make certain that the employer does not initiate or continue a practice of imposing punishment unjustly” and that the representative would provide an assurance "to other employees in the bargaining unit”). . See also Office of Admin. v. Pa. Labor Relations Bd., 591 Pa. 176 , 916 A.2d 541, 549 (2007) (rejecting the lower court’s determination that collective bargaining formed the basis of the Weingarten right; stating that "we find it clear that Weingarten rights were grounded in the NLRA’s Section 7 which protects the right of an individual employee to engage in concerted activities for mutual aid and protection”); Glen, No. 13723, at 8 ("While the federal act does guarantee [the right to bargain collectively], it was not implicated in Weingarten and the Supreme Court did not discuss it.”). . See also, e.g., Antonin Scalia & Bryan A. Garner, Reading Law: The Interpretation of Legal Texts 32-33 (2012) ("Vagueness ... is often intentional, as general terms ... are adopted to cover a multitude of situations that cannot practicably be spelled out in detail or even foreseen."); Richard A. Posner, Statutory Interpretation — in the Classroom and in the Courtroom, 50 U. Chi. L. Rev. 800 , 808 (1983) (noting that many constitutional provisions (e.g. "free speech, due process, and the right to assistance of counsel”) and statutes (like the Sherman Act) "are in reality the foundations, or perhaps in some cases die pretexts, for the evolution of bodies of case law that are the starting point and usually the ending point of analysis for new cases”). . Tex. Bus. & Com.Code § 15.05(b); see also Caller-Times Publ’g Co., Inc. v. Triad Commc’ns, Inc., 826 S.W.2d 576 (Tex.1992) (deciding what constitutes predatory pricing, an element of a section 15.05(b) claim). . Tex. Fam.Code § 7.001. . Tex. Fam.Code § 153.002; see also Holley v. Adams, 544 S.W.2d 367, 371-72 (Tex.1976) (outlining a nonexhaustive list of nine factors courts may consider in ascertaining a child’s best interest). . According to the Department of Labor, all forty of those strikes were successful. See U.S. Department of Labor, Sixteenth Annual Report of the Commissioner of Labor, Strikes and Lockouts [1881-1905] 406 (1901).